First I would like to start off by thanking you for creating a wonderful social networking site that brings people together with family, friends, and their community. It helps small businesses grow, and lets us create communities that suit our personal interests. We can spend time relaxing and talking with friends, or sit back and play some games with all the apps you have for us. We have found truly supportive, loving communities of kindred spirits all over the world through your creation.
However, a few things have been bothering me lately. I don’t know who is running things over there at Facebook headquarters, but to me it seems like a bunch of men who enjoy women, but only on their own terms. There seems to be a bit of hypocrisy and misogyny all rolled into one, and I do not understand the inconsistent approach you are taking when implementing rules. Let me direct you to your own policy on pornography:
“Facebook has a strict policy against the sharing of pornographic content and any explicitly sexual content where a minor is involved. We also impose limitations on the display of nudity. We aspire to respect people’s right to share content of personal importance, whether those are photos of a sculpture like Michelangelo’s David or family photos of a child breastfeeding.”
Now, I do agree with the need to censor pornographic material from a social site that children will see, but here is where the inconsistencies come into play. Below are some screenshots of just a few Facebook pages that you can easily find with a click of a button. As we can see, it seems like the men of Facebook love to celebrate women when it is in a sexual manner that is visually appealing to them.
These pages have hundreds of thousands of likes and have been up for months. If you scroll through the photo galleries you will find pictures of women completely exposed, pictures of unconsenting women on camera phones that bitter ex-boyfriends send into the page to “Expose These Sluts,” and countless other pictures that clearly violate the terms, but are never removed.
I am a co-owner of a Facebook page that is directed towards moms. We are advocates, and we enjoy what we do. We have a fan base of around 14,000 people right now– it is a place for women to come to get support with breastfeeding, parenting issues, birthing options, and just have a place to connect with like-minded mothers. Today I posted an anatomical drawing of a vulva; something that looks like a page out of an anatomy textbook. It was posted for educational purposes to help women get to know their bodies, learn the proper terms, as a learning tool for their children if need be. Within 3 hours, the photo was removed and my account that is linked to our page was banned for 30 days.
Here is the so-called “pornographic” image.
“Porn.”
I am wondering why pictures of women stay up if it is visually stimulating to men, but a cartoon drawing that will help women empower themselves and gain knowledge is considered pornographic, and gets removed? I am asking you to please remove the ban from my profile. I do not feel that it violated any terms, and frankly I think you are being completely unreasonable and hypocritical. You should also consider some consistency in your ban policies. Our community is very familiar with mothers getting banned for posting breastfeeding photos, which you also claim are not against your terms. It’s another example of sexualized women being acceptable, but women’s anatomical/biological bodies being shamed and censored. At the very least, follow your own rules. Thank you for taking the time to hear me out on this matter.
First-”a cartoon drawing that will help women empower themselves”-there’s nothing about my vagina that makes me who I am. I find it ridiculous and somewhat sexist that you make this a man issue, totally ignoring the fact that there are lots of gay women who don’t mind looking a nice ass either. However, if your photo was blocked by facebook, it’s because someone who saw it, reported it. That’s how it works. Therefore, if you offended someone with the content, it should be removed.
Second- “self love” doesn’t mean I LOVE WHO I AM BECAUSE I LOVE MY VAGINA AND KNOW ALL IT’S INTRICATE PARTS. Again, kind of sexist. Are you helping men to appreciate there bodies the way they are? No of course not, because you generalize the entire sex as titty and ass loving pricks.
Third-”to me it seems like a bunch of men who enjoy women, but only on their own terms.” Well, to me, this seems like a bunch of women bitching because they can’t put picture of their breastfeeding titties and cartoon vaginas in a public forum like all dem othe’ hos.
Here’s a thought, HAVE A PRIVATE PAGE.
Reminder: GENITALS DON’T MAKE A PERSON!! Mind and Spirit people…..MIND AND SPIRIT!
First of all you’re ridiculous. Shhhhhhhhh go home.
Second, I came here about to troll the shit out of you because, well, I’m a man, and I thought this was man hating femme bullshit.
Third, its not, and you’re right. Fuck the extremists on both sides, I got your back and I’m sure everyone else that doesn’t have some kind of personal sexual vendetta does too!
Cheers
“there’s nothing about my vagina that makes me who I am”
However, women who doesn’t know their anatomy well stand to gain from the diagram above.
“Therefore, if you offended someone with the content, it should be removed.”
No, that’s not how Facebook works. Content should be removed if it violates Facebook Terms. If it works as you described, then rightfully the T&A pages should be taken down because someone is offended by them.
“Are you helping men to appreciate there bodies the way they are? No of course not”
No one is obliged to be everything to everyone. Maintaining a page directed at women doesn’t automatically mean the page-owner is a misandrist.
I couldn’t agree more with Andrea L! She makes so much sense, just sheer logic!
“Therefore, if you offended someone with the content, it should be removed.” I really really don’t get that. If the content of a page, that I willfully subscribe to, is offensive my only question to you is … WHY ARE YOU THERE?
Because when you “like” or “share” from that page it ends up in everyone elses newsfeed. Therefore there’s thousands of people viewing posts from a page they aren’t subscribed to. Do you know what facebook is? Why do I have to explain these things. It’s just like the half naked chic page! You may no be subscribed to it, but you still know it’s there because of what friends “share.” Not to mention, I’ve never seen a completely naked person on FB. All their junk is covered, therefore there is no comparison between half naked chics and a giant sketch of a vagina circulating.
Then unsubscribe, block, or hide. Everyone finds some thing offensive. Most days I find Christians offensive but I’m not trying to shut down their pages nor do I report their images of Jesus, crosses, or bibles as spam or offensive material. If the material is directed specifically at YOU and it is a form of discrimination, harassment, or abuse then you have a case. Anything else, if you don’t like it or agree with it, oh well. That’s life and I’m sure you were told life wouldn’t always be fair.
i think your missing the point. The point is not the finer details to argue over. It is one example of many. Its the systematic two tier system regarding policies, procedures, rules and regulations that are directed and/or enacted/adhered to for party but not another, based on social status, gender, sexuality, creed, race. That is the point
YOU are missing the point. Facebook isn’t just out looking for posts to delete. When enough people report something, it gets deleted. I don’t know why everyone looks at Facebook like it’s an upstanding, respectable establishment. It’s fucking FACEBOOK!!!!! Where 90% of women take areal photos of themselves with the classy duck lip and titty shot for their profile picture. It’s where pedophiles search for the photos of naked children that everyone seems to like sharing. Anyone can share or post anything until someone reports it and it gets deleted. I repeat. IT’S FACEBOOK!!!
Rokor, whoever you are I love you! exactly! thank you very much!
To add a bit, yes it’s a matter of mind and spirit, but you got to admit, when it comes to sex education it’s a big no no while pornography is everywhere because as Jackie observed, it sells.
Actually, I think you make a valid point.
Oh dear. Unfortunately you sound like you’ve completely missed the point. Aggression and negativity doesn’t get people anywhere. And those comments were rather childish, which in my experience, many don’t take on board. I myself often find these posts pop up in my news feed, the same newsfeed my 8 year old nephew passes to get to play games. Yes, these images are across the internet and very easy to find, but it would be nice to have what used to be a social forum, be atleast clean and standards equal across the board. And I completely agree with the ‘man’ thing. A photo of an actual man, with no top on, still clothed from the waist down with a suggestion, a very slight suggestion he had a ‘big package’, was taken down, yet the page ‘Box Gap’ with near naked women in all sorts on compromising positions revealing almost everything, has been up for months. I myself reported a terribly confronting image from the and was told the image met the standards and nothing was done. Now, I just block pages or delete them as soon as they show up.
Jackie I read your concern with the softest of voices, I guess because I am a quiet, open minded person myself. I wish I didn’t think like that about men, and maybe we are wrong, but it’s ok to have an opinion, and thoughts. And we shouldn’t be blasted out of the water for it. I don’t think if you are offended by an image and report it, that it should be removed. I agree there needs to be a standard met, but it should be equal. And more and more it appears, it isn’t. Well done Jackie.
Following my response to Teresa’s comment, I’d like to add, for the record to anyone else out there reading this :
I myself had parents whom I felt I could not open up to and talk to about anything, especially not sex – hell, I even felt awkward expressing my natural interest in girls! I didn’t feel any more comfortable discussing such things with any other adult either ; teachers, counselors, other family, etc. I braved it all on my own for the most part, and “figured it out” for myself. Amazingly, I was able to filter out the disinformation and misinformation from the proper info.
I was like any teenage boy ; I enjoyed (and coveted) porn, and seized any chance to check out a naked lady in any format (printed material, videos/movies, and when I was old enough to get into strip clubs, live in person – I had no internet til I was in my late-20s/early-30s).
However, I NEVER resorted to peeping on anyone (neighbors, peers, etc) – that was just a little too risky and a tad creepy for me. Even at such a young age, I worried where that kind of thing might lead me. And furthermore, I was far too insecure and shy to ever force myself on an actual girl.
During my adolescent early teen years, I may have naturally made some “advances” on girls to indicate my interest, but as I said, I was insecure, and thus I was very easily discouraged, and after getting shot down and rejected (and often humiliated for having to audacity to even try), I never pushed further, and rarely repeated the attempt of “conveying interest” any time soon after.
So, I cringed, I became socially/sexually reclusive, and gravitated to that would which fulfill a need but could not reject me : porn.
I got my first subscription to PLAYBOY magazine when I was 13 or 14, which my dad paid for. In light of my previous statement about being uncomfortable to talk about sex with my parents, this may sound odd or contradictory, and rather bold ; but I somehow found the audacity/bravery to put my toe into those waters anyway.
Maybe because my failure with real girls was so discouraging, I was “desperate” for an alternative, so much so, that I was willing to bear the “one-time” moment of utter awkwardness and embarrassment of asking my dad to buy me a PLAYBOY subscription?
Anyway, I guess part of me thought the manner in which I “asked” him to get me “a magazine subscription” would go by unnoticed and unscrutinized by my dad and I would not have to even deal with any embarrassment, as he never really showed a lot of interest in anything I liked.
But he caught this one, and chose to examine what “magazine” I was looking to order, lol. My dad sorta had a semi-shocked reaction, and only exclaimed, “Hey… that’s PLAYBOY!”, to which I turned a hundred shades of red, but smiled like a goof, and just nodded my head that I knew what I was doing and what I wanted.
He did not deny my request at all, didn’t try to “talk to me” about it, he didn’t even really question it. He just shrugged his shoulders, maybe scoffed a bit (that’s just how he was), and handed me a cheque for the 1-year’s subscription. Nothing more was said about it, except when renewal time came around each year – he’d grumble and scoff again, and hand me another cheque without a word.
I guess he acknowledged my age of “curiosity” was kicking in, and figured I could do a lot worse than PLAYBOY, and at least this way, he probably figured I’m getting “what I want/need”, but in a safe and controlled way which he can “monitor” and oversee (to some degree), and watch of any changes in my behavior or attitudes that would be a red flag for any “unhealthy exposure” and processing of such content.
Despite the magazine subscription, which continued for a couple more years before I canceled it out of “boredom” over the “tameness” of the PLAYBOY style, and pursued my appetite for more explicit stuff. There was that “elephant in the room” air over all the other porn I bought from the local convenience store ; my dad knew I had it and was buying it, but never talked to/with me about it.
Sex was STILL not something I felt I could TALK WITH my dad (or anyone else) about. Maybe he felt just as awkward about it too? Maybe he should have been a BOLDER parent and stepped up? Or maybe he was respecting my space and pace, and was waiting for me to speak up first? I dunno.
Despite my interest in sex, I still had a lot of “hang-ups” about it myself, I guess. I didn’t want my interest in sex and porn to be regarded as some kind of sick perversion. It was nothing I could “talk openly” about with anyone. I was still indoctrinated by the “shame” and “taboo” that society had built around sex, so while I liked sex, it was my “dirty little secret”.
Naturally, with all that “porn”, I masturbated (a lot). In those really early pubescent years, before the PLAYBOY mags and other porn came along, I’d do it to anything that had a naked woman on it – even clinical textbooks with illustrations, but only if that was all that was available.
Before you judge me, remember I was a PRETEEN/TEENAGER. Hormones raging. Also, everyone has heard about the infamous “National Geographic” surrogates for a young lad’s “porn” stash. That was never my cup of tea, but it proves that adolescent boys will utilize whatever they can get their hands on til they are legal age to acquire “real porn”. It does NOT make them “sexual deviants” or “perverts” in the making, or what have you.
This is what happens when there is NO COMMUNICATION between parent and child. However, I was one of the lucky ones who did not suffer for it ; I made out “okay” all the same. I may have ended up with a lot of social and sexual “retardation” with real women in the real world as a result of being unable to open up and talk openly in those early years, and relying so heavily on porn for my needs and “figuring it all out myself”, but at least I’m not a pervert or a molester or a rapist!! (Just a “lonesome loser”, lol.)
So, my point (and I am getting to it) is that DESPITE ALL OF THAT : my father’s permissiveness, his enabling of my access to sexually-explicit material and financing my magazine subscription, all the early (hardcore) porn exposure in my formative years, all the “gherkin-jerkin” I did — I think I turned out just fine.
In fact, I think I turned out pretty damned exceptional : because, I have NO CRIMINAL RECORD, I DO NOT DRINK, SMOKE, nor DO ANY DRUGS (I never have and never will – I abhor all that crap, and THOSE things are the REAL detriments of youth and society!), and despite my voracious appetite for all that “big, bad, evil, and misogynistic” porno, I have a healthy regard and respect for women as human beings, and their right to equality in society.
I might occasionally view women as “sex objects”, but that is only when I am “feeling frisky”, and it is ALWAYS secondary to the above affirmation of the fact that I view women as PEOPLE FIRST. I abhor rape, be it passive OR aggressive/violent, and NO means NO — ALWAYS, with NO exceptions.
And hey, I am not opposed to being sexually objectified as a man by women! You know, just to keep things fair! So, please ladies, by all means – sexually objectify me. Really. I’m available for all manner of naughty adult conduct. Haha.
So, all that said — anyone who wants to blame and demonize porn, and/or any other “indecent” exposure to human sexuality as the reason for society’s moral & ethical breakdown : Your argument is INVALID. YOU LOSE.
Sorry for the soapbox sermon. Once I get on a roll, I REALLY roll.
When did she ever say that, though? I think the article was largely about the inconsistency of Facebook and the way that they are completely comfortable with portraying images that are obviously sexual (which is supposedly what they mean to censor) but will not allow someone to post a cartoon informational drawing of a vagina. I get that a 14-year-old might masturbate to it anyway — but since when does that mean that one should be censored and not the other?
What makes you think that your Father had any more/better experience than you? From what I can see, each new generation has greater freedom and knowledge than the last. Your Dad did what he could to help you by buying the subscription. Playboy was the first readily available magazine of its kind. What did your Dad have when he was a boy?
In Egypt, textbooks of anatomy, gynecology and obstetrics are classified as pornography and forbidden. But Mein Kampf by Hitler, in arabic, is sold openly and is selling very well. Also, Egypt is the country where several women, foreign and native, have been gang raped on different occasions by large numbers of men with thousands as passive spectators, in the middle of the Tahrir Square. So, by banning anatomic pictures, you’ll make a decent society.
where did you come with this from? are you even Egyptian or ever been to Egypt?
All of you taking your sweet ass time arguing with each other, calling each other names, and, might as well say it now, THREATENING TO REPORT AUTHORITIES just because you’re all butthurt over a cuss word, even though that is a violation of the first amendment, is all fucking ridiculous, especially you worthless feminists. Reading all these comments just shows how worthless you humans are.
Aliens abduct me now.
Is there a way to report or flag a comment on here for harassment and misogynistic behavior/remarks?
I wish! Because I would have flagged/reported your trolling ass long ago.
Go buy some batteries for your vibrator (you clearly need to get your rocks off, cos you’re being a disruptive cunt by picking on everything everyone says, valid or not) and leave the discussion forums to the grown-ups.
How about this, bitch? JUST SHUT UP and walk away from it? Yeah?
WTWASP: You need to stop harassing me, immediately. It’s more than obvious you came here looking for an argument. You wrote a “poor me” novel in your first post to this because you were “on a roll” and then you’ve attacked anyone that has contradicted you or, in your convoluted mind, you’ve misinterpreted. If anyone is a troll here, that would be you. You appear deranged. Verbally attacking someone, in such a manner as you’ve demonstrated, speaks volumes about the type of person you are. I’m requesting that you refrain from replying to any of my comments and calling me such vulgar names in an attempt to insult and/or degrade me. I’m a high school teacher; there isn’t anything I haven’t been called and it all rolls off me like water. I’m never one to turn down a good debate where the individuals are respectful and considerate of each differing opinion. Vulgar name-calling and cursing is an indication that the person saying them really has nothing to say at all; it is a sign of ignorance, not intelligence. Misogynistic behavior falls into the same category. I honestly wish you the best of luck and hope that you find the self-confidence you apparently so desperately need. Do not contact me again. This is my attempt to end this now. Should you not stop your harassing behavior, I will take other measures. Verbal harassment, even online, is against the law. I have two close family members who both work in security in D.C. It only takes a phone call to have your IP address traced and your address located in order to press charges. I am respectively asking you to stop your harassment.
And yet here you are with your own “poor me novel”. I’d love to hear what your “two close family members who both work in security in D.C.” would have to say when you call them crying about someone calling you rude names on the internet. I bet they’re just waiting by the phone for that call……people usually don’t get so offended by name calling unless the content happens to be true. hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Brotip: Nobody in the authorities are going to give a fuck about how you were “harassed on the internet.”
They’re going to look at it, see you initiated a fight, and calling you a whiny baby.
Anyway, this has been fun. I have had the great pleasure of seeing A LOT of very intelligent minds speaking out on this issue, making many good points. This is a rare treat on the internet these days.
Of course there were one or two cranial cripples spewing their verbal diarrhea, and I had the displeasure of tripping over a troll in here, but from the way I see her responding to many other people in here, even though she makes a few good points and seems to be on the right side of the issue (more or less), she still just appears to me as nothing more than a troll seeking validation for her pseudo-intellect.
Because I have no desire to engage with this person (or anyone like her) any further, I’m going to unsubscribe from this thread, but I will part ways with the great pleasure of having seen that there still are a few level heads out there not succumbed to the uniformed mindset of the establishment and society in all their forms.
@Jackie :
Best of luck to you on this matter – I totally empathize with you because I get targeted too. Granted, I post some pretty racy and provocative stuff, but I put it on MY profile for ADULT (or at least MATURE) audiences and I mark the content as “Friends Only”, and I try very hard to keep company with people who do not have “prude sticks” up their butts about such things.
I may post and share “bad enough”, but other users post “even worse”, and it’s not fair that I get blocked for a month at a time while the SOURCE of such content I am sharing from see no consequences and their content remains posted. I feel your pain on what you described happened to you in your Parenting page.
Someone in this thread said it earlier : We may have to consider the ever-present option of just LEAVING that damn Fascistbook. It clearly causes us more grief than enjoyment with all their political double-talk and double-standard hypocrisy of their “policies” and “community (double) standards”.
Maybe it’s time to seek greener pastures for social networking?
Cheers, everyone.
I’ve been enjoying the range of comments here, but I can’t help but notice that the fervor for the right to post vagina diagrams seems to be essentially the same argument that religious extremists make regarding their particular object of faith. Sure, you respect it, but that doesn’t mean that others have an obligation to respect it, or even want to hear about it at all. Fundamentalists insist that their object of worship is reasonable and appropriate all the time. I don’t think placing limitations on religious expression or on genitalia constitutes oppression. Both should be kept in one’s pants until the appropriate time.
Did you actually read the entire article?
If vagina posts are a violation than those of the actual vaginas would be a violation. Even more than an educational drawing.
….still have never seen a vagina on Facebook, except the drawing we’re all discussing. And yes children shouldn’t be ON facebook, but I shouldn’t have to block myself in a corner to be on facebook because you feel like it’s a place to display human genitalia.
Jeff,
Interesting POV, but I just wanted to throw in my opinion for taste. Religious extremists are the ones who are killing in the name of a god (whichever it might be). Objects of faith are just symbols. As a mother, I don’t believe that children younger than teenagers should be on the internet, unsupervised. By the time they are old enough (in my opinion), they are supposed to be taking Sex-Ed and will see these diagrams. They are not pictures, but an artist’s rendering for educational purposes. A vagina is not a symbol… it is an important part of our human bodies, as is the penis. They are both essential for creating life! These parts of us are where our beautiful children came from, and I think they have a right to know that. After all, Knowledge is Power!
And they say men think with their genitals..
Sure they’re an important part of a person, but so are all the other organs. There’s a time and a place for everything, including spleens, stomachs, elbows. Not all the time. And if you feel you can’t be a whole person without flouting your gall bladder, your pancreas or your vagina, you’re not really any different from those people who insist on flouting “The Lord” all the time. You don’t have to kill people to be an extremist, just be lacking in self-control. Knowledge is power, and knowing when you keep it in your pants and when to take it out is a good place to start. Especially on public transportation. Or public forums.
Jeff.
I agree that there is a time and place for everything.
However. Children are a curious lot and they are not stupid. They will ask questions. They will try and figure things out for themselves.
Knowing that there’s a baby in mothers tummy and that daddy put it there isn’t such a great sin. They’ll figure it out eventually. You just have to serve it to them on their terms.
My sister found out that standing over the small fountains tickled in a nice way when she was 3. Should our parents have scolded her for liking it?
In my opinion that was handled appropriately by telling her that as much as our private parts are fun to touch it really should be handled when we are alone in safe surroundings (ie. in private). Nothing wrong with it. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just how our biology works and how we should interact with our surrounding.
Being taught about our body should go hand in hand with basic hygiene and social skills. Keeping the children in the dark because we are ashamed of our bodies is just passing the bad habits down to generations. There is no such thing as “Too much education”. Encourage curiosity and morality and I’m certain your children will fare fine.
Mort– (said) “Being taught about our body should go hand in hand with basic hygiene and social skills. Keeping the children in the dark because we are ashamed of our bodies is just passing the bad habits down to generations. There is no such thing as “Too much education”. Encourage curiosity and morality and I’m certain your children will fare fine.”
Sure, no disagreement from me on any of this. I’m not even sure that kids should be restricted from FB, but I do think it should be controlled and monitored.
But that’s not what is at issue here. This thread is absolutely NOT about education, but whether certain things (ie: vaginal diagrams) supersede the accepted standards. The author’s contention is that no one should stop her from posting her diagram (though her rationalization for this emotion is “education.” this is the same argument religious extremists have for displaying their stuff).
Nothing wrong with the diagram or education, but there’s a time and a place, and every place all the time is kinda wacky.
Well said, Jackie.
i agree with your letter to facebook.
PERHAPS I ISSED THE POINT BUT. WHY IS IT OK TO LEER OVER WOMEN WHO PROBABLY DIDN’T GIVE CONSENT FOR THEIR PHOTOS TO BE USED ON THESE PAGES.YET IT IS NOT OK ACCORDING TO FACEBOOK TO EDUCATE. I A 24 AND AM STILL DUMBFOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT MOST MEN DONT KNOW THE ANOTOMY OF THEIR FAVOURITE FEMALE PART
Another person saying we need to educate men on “what’s going on down there.” If your boyfriend or husband is having a hard time getting you off. Here’s a thought, TELL HIM WHAT YOU WANT. COMMUNICATION!!!!!! You want to just show a guy a photo and tell him “there now you know what all these parts are called and how they function.” Boy oh boy that’s sounds enticing. Everyone one is so afraid to just say to their partner, “hey don’t do that, do this, it’s awesome” You’d be surprised what men could learn FROM THEIR OWN WIVES. But no, come on ladies, let’s all keep being prude wenches so that our men have to go check out the porn sites you all hate so much just to get some real action.
Well i for one am glad this has been reduced to idiots fighting with each other and calling each other names. Jesus wept, the internet is ridiculous. You should all go outside and get some fresh air.
Reading these comments gives us all a good idea of the kind of morons one finds on the internet, notably Facebook. Quite frankly, would anybody want to network socially with people such as this!
Agreed.
What an intelligent, courageous letter. The capacity for some women to diminish themselves is exceeded only by that of some of the men who were simply raised to disrespect everyone, including women. Sensuality has nothing whatsoever with the photos and fb sites you highlighted. Intelligence is not a given nor is common sense as these sites clearly showcase however your thoughtful words will make a difference and I am so grateful you took time out of your day to care about women who do not care about themselves.
All of these feminists need to strand themselves on an island away from everyone else. Fuck feminism.
I hope your mother is proud, bore.
I think my mother is proud that I know how to read rules and guidelines (or as it seems in this entire thread, READ AT ALL), have common sense, and know how to not bitch on the internet over one photo which is against rules and guidelines. I also think my mom is proud to report any misconduct on a website and know that Facebook recently hired new janitors to limit exposure to what is called, “only half naked.”
So yeah, I’m a huge bore who never does her research and doesn’t know how to read.
Face book uses user feedback to determine if something is objectionable. This why a porn site which is only visited by people who like eye candy will not be censored, and a woman’s health page will. The woman’s health page is more likely to be visited by people with certain sensibilities not found in visitors to porn sites.
Jackie,
I had referred this blog post of yours on a Facebook page called “The Internet Offends Me”. They might be able to help you put your page back up. Please contact them immediately.
Here’s the link to that post:
https://www.facebook.com/TheInternetOffendsMe/posts/577206022310646
Regards.
Jackie, I posted this blog to a new facebook page wherein the admins are willing to respond to you and hopefully help! Please go here to pursue this;
https://www.facebook.com/TheInternetOffendsMe/posts/571535682877402?comment_id=6221144&offset=0&total_comments=5¬if_t=share_comment
Ann
Jackie, I’ve posted a link to your blog on a new facebook page here;
https://www.facebook.com/TheInternetOffendsMe/posts/571535682877402?comment_id=6221144&offset=0&total_comments=5¬if_t=share_comment
The admin wants to respond and hopefully help.
Fb page settings: “Age restrictions: Anyone 21 and over” may be applied to any page. lowest common denominator means that those whose expression tweaks a certain sector of Fb users will continue to be ‘flagged’ despite the clear abuse of the flagging system occurring. almost all social networking sites intentionally leave ambiguity in their Terms of Service so that they can cover their behinds. this means that their admin may err on the side of conservatism regularly in order to keep the greater number of users. making an issue out of how people are using the site is a VERY good idea, and making pages within a new account (which anyone can easily create, using gmail or other fairly anonymous email services) pinpointing the problem (on pages where you can network the data and then graduate a link or referral to the anatomical (try penises too!) may be consciousness-raising. start a flagging campaign on these erotic/pornographic pages. start pages which feature women empowered who are NOT commodified and objectified as sex objects as samples and see if they get flagged. set these into an *array* against those you are flagging and continue this wonderful enterprise interior to Facebook. they cannot stop you, realistically, any more than they can stop those who repeatedly put up porn in Fb and have it removed. good luck and Jai Ma!
Amen! I feel this is only the tip of the iceberg. There are actually a lot worse facebook pages than the ones you have brought to light. for example there are many pages glorifying Domestic violence and even rape. I have seen pages celebrating beating and raping women that have been defended by facebook as being acceptable as they are “against sensorship” However many times pictures of women breastfeeding have been removed, videos of women giving birth or just photos of mums holding newborns that have a breast in the picture have been removed. I am very angry about this and was actually on the verge of closing my account when I saw your post. One of the other disgusting pages I saw was called “It’s not rape if the bitch is asleep, it’s sleepy sex” As a woman who has had the courage to testify against and get a conviction against the rapist who attacked me in this manner 3 years ago I can’t think of many things that hurt and offend me more than pages like this. I am certainly not offended by pictures of a womans vagina or of breastfeeding mothers and I feel this should become a big campaign as so far facebook have not taken the right action or the right attitude with what they deem offensive. perhaps a national media campaign would shame them into putting this right. our young daughters are subjected to enough misogynistic imagery without facebook allowing this double standard. It’s not big and it’s not clever!
There are obviously a lot of men out there with such unfulfilled lives that they can think of nothing better to do than spam this page, get lives, idiots!
If all humans would go naked all time, 24/7, 365 days a year, NO one would even care about it. Personally i dont get the hype of a nipple or any other bodypart. 3 500 000 000 000 women, double that number and we have the number of nipples. Who cares? (Yes, we men have them aswell). 3 500 000 000 000 penises dangling around, in all kinds of shapes and sizes. Who cares? Those that get upset – really? – over such things have clearly too much freetime.
Thanks for making me aware of such new sites
but honestly this is ridiculous and I do not value woman who objectify themselves as for a strong beautiful intelligent person that’s something else which breaches on a true companion. As for both sides of this argument it seems obvious each are feeding into a negative self-propelled debilitating conflict neither can influence.
I’m aware as a society people have many negative influences. If you honestly expect change adjusting others aspirations would be a great place to start.
Positive Outlook
I started writing on the top of Longs Peak before descending onto Chasm Lake and ice-skating. Within every person there is a great good and evil—each part more intertwined and complicated than anyone can realize often being quick to judge with this lack of understanding. But being aware of this presence in all of us, the outside observer can likely relate. Understanding the negative outcome from Lance Armstrong’s lies, it’s hard to forget the pressure we all feel in our fast society. It’s humbling knowing no one is shielded from the current social conformity. This makes me think of the concept of insanity: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” (Albert Einstein).
Have you ever thought about driving to work reaching over 75MPH while listening to music, the cell phone ringing/incoming texts, lights, ambulance sirens, police passing by, and the many other distractions? It isn’t overreaching to realize even a Roman soldier, in battle, didn’t have to withstand such stimulants. I would be curious in seeing a FMRI scanner reading of a person during this active state. I believe the scan would convey an image similar to that of an aneurysm giving stress and social anxiety another crutch.
Healthy living has become a mere illusion believing that scientific interference with what we consume is not detrimental but rather beneficial to our physical well being. In order to function at top performance the mind and body cannot receive broken information which is what we indeed receive via poor genetically modified nutrition. Food has been made to taste more palatable by removing the taste that exists within its natural form; the gamey natural is not normal by our society’s standards. Many, however, don’t realize that broken/altered information being eaten has a negative effect. Recent findings show Tofu as being contributory to the development of Alzheimer’s. Thinking tofu is high in standard nutrition is false; tofu is unable to bind to our neural connectors giving us broken information. This is a common issue that applies to many ingredients including, but not limited to, corn—much in the U.S is genetically modified. One of which causes the corn to excrete a pesticide. It is no wonder countries, while in desperation, turn down food sent from America. How is this possible? Who is to blame? Big government? The corporations? The answer is that so many individuals are feeding the wrong wolf.
A Cherokee Legend
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.
“It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
For too long, we have fed the wrong wolf, and our time is coming up with consequences that will affect multiple societies unlike many of our ancestral societies that failed and were isolated within their own demise. Living in the world now, we are singular; we choose avoidance making it an all or nothing scenario. I believe inventions like the telephone, radio, and internet are all examples of an unconscious desire to come together as one. If such a world existed, this utopia would have caps that enabled many limiting growth. I picture a society happy with the way their lives are, living off the land, feeding themselves positivity. Currently, I see a place where every class feeds on negativity and drama. No one absent from socially implemented focuses: sports, politics, Jackass, Snookie/Jersey Shore, kardashians, Family Guy, global warming/climate change, world hunger etc. If affirmation is required, ignorance is not the answer rather uniting under one cause. The personal improvement and equality of humanity is a fine place to start.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought”.
–John F. Kennedy
It is apparent we align our knowledge with the sense of achievement, but do not understand the ingenious of the tree. This view is incomprehensible to most. So many people sit and ponder never realizing what they want to become: doctor, actor, musician, teacher, writer, and on. These individuals are likely to look down on the Deer for simply being a Deer. What if we were a part of a society where people were just good people, and didn’t have their mansions or lazy boys to aspire toward? Understandably untainted children have it right – just wishing to be happy! A poor child given a toy is likely just as happy as the richest until his or her belly isn’t full …
“When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.”
― John Lennon
Many thoughts are wrought with achievement or the desire to achieve but potentially misguided as so many have been raised in a world where their bellies never stopped growing. How now is intelligence and knowledge shown? Knowingly, it would include happiness and mimic a tree. The tree obviously protects itself naturally adjusting with temperature and does not over consume; it breathes life forever evolving with the times. I do think heaven can be found on Earth. What harm could come from adjusting ones role model and aspiring to be a happier person?
“Human beings are licensed by nature to undertake whenever actions are necessary for their survival. The human condition is therefore of necessity one of conflict”
–Thomas Hobbes
So “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.” Mahatma Gandhi. Why choose a deaf and dumb self propelled direction? Undoubtedly, I have found the truest path to happiness is the development of one’s moral character. Where could that course negatively deviate?
It is thus not the Ferrari that gives true meaning and happiness but instead the path towards a reward. A continued journey driven inward has no peak yet offers a consistent sense of achievement and mental cultivation.
Jackie you are brave and smart and I appreciate the letter you wrote. I’m guessing you already know enough to blow off the idiots who are so angered by your post, but I hope you find my “Go Jackie!” amidst all the rabble.
Ok, I get the part about how its wrong for facebook to have censored a clearly non-pornographic photo, but the photo’s you put up didn’t show any exposed sexual organs so why should they have been censored??? I even looked through the photo’s on the page’s and their wasn’t any vaginal exposure, just partial clothed breasts and buttocks… its not a double standard, and definitely not misogyny.
I understand where the author is coming from, and I don’t necessarily disagree, but…
I’ll just leave this here…
http://theinternetoffendsme.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/the-real-story-behind-facebook-moderation-and-your-petty-reports/
Hi Jackie.
I think that you are amazing and absolutly right..!! <3 <3 <3
Smiles from Denmark.
Their policy is sketchy indeed. I see you have youths trolling your page. Anytime they see genitals, they immediately have a puberty frenzy.Best of luck chica:)
About Egypt – google “harassment map”. There are one version in arabic, and another in english. CNN among others has a page presenting it. If someone remember, the CNN reporter Lara Logan was gangraped in the middle of the Tahrir square February 11, 2011. This is about one year later, but with Egyptian women as victims.
http://jezebel.com/5990651/i-was-raped-in-tahrir-square
Just google the two words: rape tahrir, and you’ll get pages and pages. But I don’t know if Google’s “family filter” will remove all hits with words like “rape” – in that case, try to switch it off for that occasion.
But beware – I was online in the news stream when Logan was attacked, and I sat there in the library of the Gothenburg university and cried like a baby. It was one of the worst moments of my life, second only to when I found my wife dead. Such things are pure evil, beyond imagination.
About the female anatomy, the part that creates new human life on this planet: Strangely enough, it seems like 99.9 per cent of the time, the Vulva is called Vagina. The Vagina has its opening in the Vulva, but the Vagina really is that what sometimes is callled “the birth canal”.